I wanted to bring this up last week but I was so fucking busy, damn!
Lets talk about Meliodas' balls/orbs of darkness for a bit: Am gonna skip somethings and just get to the important points. Back at the druid cave where mel & king trained, by mimicking king he invented a new technique where he focused his darkness into a more concentrated form, allowing for better maneuverability and stuff. He used the same the same technique against the demon king in battle:
As u can see there how EASILY he injured the demon king with it.
Now what's impressive about this is how easily he injured him. Nothing short of 'Island Level' is damaging the DK. This is the truth. Personally I've always regarded top tiers of NNT verse to be around country level, I can understand why people might not agree with that but y'all can at the very least agree he's(DK) at least island level right?
I don't wanna start going into proving why DK should be island level, that's gonna change the focus of this thread which I don't want.
Am assuming we all agree then, let's continue.
This would make meliodas' orbs at least island level in potency. Gowther even described the orbs as having an unfathomable density and force behind them:
And king further states that these orbs must be MUCH stronger now compared to then. And Don't forget how ridiculously strong mel was back then, baby-shaking dolor and glox etc...this further reinforces my point of these orbs being at least island level.
Now, At first he used about 6 or so, and Whats more is that he can create tons of these orbs to attack/defend with in an instant:
Now here's where it gets crazier, he literally manipulates several tens of 'em and shoots em at the DK in rapid succession.
That's tens of island level attacks to his freaking face. Am sure some 'o ya can already see where am going with this.
Then he manipulates even much more orbs, they literally look countless:
He's most likely using several hundreds of orbs right now, just going by visuals.
THEN THE MOTHER OF ALL FUCKERY, TRILLION FREAKING DARK!
Now calm down, don't get me wrong. I don't think he attacked with a trillion orbs. A trillion island level attacks will come out at star level+ or maybe even much higher than that. That's just outright ridiculous. However going by the visuals alone, we can definitely conclude that he at least used up to a thousand right? Its right there ^ look at it! A thousand freaking island level attacks fired in rapid succession? That's freaking Insane mahn!! and that's continent level in my book!
Now I know Meliodas AP at the end of the day still remains at island level, but this attack could deal some serious damage to even country/continental characters. Even if we were to massively lowball the power of each orb to multi-mountain the collateral damage of a thousand of that will still come out at multi country or so. And that's a massive lowball. Cuz i see no reason why those orbs shouldn't be island level at least.
El_Directo , this is what's known as ridiculous in verse scaling, this is like taking a character who is mach 500 and having a character blitz that mach 500 character so that must mean the one who blitzed is mach 1000, see what I mean? In verse scaling like this isn't used since it just beefs up stats to unbelievable degrees, said character that blitzed is only unquantifiably higher than that mach 500 character which is why the term "at least" is used so much when placing stats, so the demon king, meliodas and ban are all just unquantifiably higher than the highest calc that is accepted for the verse(iirc like large island level).
Like I said if we use your method then all series we discussed are also more powerful than originally thought since they all at one point or another have situations of tossing shit tons of their attacks at their opponent at once.
But even if we ignore all that I still don't agree mainly due to the feat going by the name and the visual not adding up(I literally see a few hundred orbs at most), small country - country level is the highest I see that capping out at following this stacking stuff.
So that's my opinion and that's probably all I'll offer given that this series was pretty disappointing.
Dank Sinatra The 3rd and 2nd to the last scans says otherwise. The orbs he created were at least a couple hundred. So there's no way his strongest attack(trillion dark) wouldn't be much higher in numbers. Just pls Take a good look at the last scan again, there's no way u only see hundred lines, there are several hundreds of them being fired at DK. Not to mention Mel was literally going *arrrgh* which should imply that the attack kept going on for couple of seconds. The numbers of orbs may even be a couple thousand at least.
Unfortunately the scaling in NNT got a little lazy towards the end of the series. We know Britinia is supposed to be the size of the real UK but if you take into account the number of island level characters fighting there, the entire country would have long been obliterated. I wish they did a better job because there is a very real possibility some of the characters are stronger than we think
"No matter what happens...I shall gift this world and the world beyond with apocalypse..."
Is that something of this sort would work? At the end of the day, they're all island level individually, and remain individual even through Trillion Dark. Had they come together, a la Hendrickson's Dark Snow to Dead End, I would say it makes sense, but I don't see it as the same thing in this case.
I could be wrong - I'm not one for calcs, anyway; I've never done one nor know how to do one, so I'll leave it up to the more experienced.
If each one really were Island Level this could work, since all the Spheres were created at the same time the total energy would be calculated putting it all together. The problem is that I do not know if we can consider this as calc stacking
El_Directo Your post comes off as scaling gone out of control, to be quite honest, the only big feats I've seen from NNT are Mel blowing up Liones in the past or whatever that city-kingdom was called, and Escanor boiling a lake, neither of which come even close to Small Continent-Level.
Here's the glaring problem/assumption here: force doesn't "stack" like that, at all. Projectiles disperse the force they impart on impact with a surface/another object, meaning the force they impart doesn't get transmitted to a precise spot and stay there, rather it spreads all throughout whatever it impacted, meaning the force experienced by the impacted surface/object overall (i.e. across its volume) would be quite less than the force behind the body that impacted it the higher its surface area/volume is.
[NOTE: This is why a knife does a much a better at job at piercing through, say, a plank of wood, than a hammer with an equal amount of force behind it, because the pointy end has a surface area so tiny, only a small degree of the force behind it gets dispersed, resulting in a high concentration of force at the point of impact, whereas in the case of a hammer, its flat wide surface would disperse quite a bit of the force behind it, resulting in a lower concentration of force at the point of impact.
You can think of it as: Force = Pressure/Area The lower the area is, the higher the force imparted for the same amount of pressure.]
Meaning that if you had a series of projectiles consecutively impact a surface at roughly same point, the forces behind them wouldn't just magically stack and somehow impart more force than what each of them individually would, it's not a 1+1+1+1+1+1=5 situation.
Ask yourself this: Can an M16 shoot through a brick wall by emptying a 100-round drum magazine at it in one spot? After all, its 5.56 mm calibre bullets individually carry 1800 Joules, and 1800*100 = 180 kJ which is Wall-Level, right? Of course not. That's just common intuition, you don't even need to think about it mathematically.
And this is the exact situation we have here. Meliodas flinging a bunch of orbs that are each individually Island-Level doesn't somehow magically make the collective barrage Small Continent-Level or whatever.
If you had a wall made of some BS material which makes its durability Large Island-Level, and Meliodas used that orb barrage on it, would he destroy it? Yes, because each orb individually could impart enough force on the wall to disturb its microscopic structure to a noticeable degree, and when you keep doing that again and again for however many times at a very high rate, each successive disturbance would continue to weaken the structure, breaking it down eventually.
If Meliodas did the same thing on a Continent-Level wall, he could only damage it to an unknown degree at best, since every orb individually could not impart enough force on it to disturb its microscopic structure to a noticeable degree, so each successive disturbance would not weaken the structure by much, meaning it wouldn't break down by the end of the barrage, unless the barrage was way longer (time-wise) and the rate of impact was way higher, to the point that all the small disturbances would make the wall undergo a noticeable microscopic breakdown due to fatigue, which would eventually result in it breaking down, but only after a long period of time.
Eva01, If it's not too much of a bother, you could check Mael's cloud dispersion feat in Chapter 297, can we have a good number of it? Only quickly and without real calculation, nothing that takes your time.
Dream: Last anime I will be covering is Gankutsuou: Count of Monte Cristo. Will start watching it tomorrow. Not sure how much longer I can keep myself up at this point.
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HungryWorld: Well if anyone remembers what happened to Pingu in the City, with it being joke 10/10 scored on MAL just to get it into the top 10 anime... well now is Ishuzoku Reviewers' turn. Seems that in response to Funimation's cancel people boosted the score hard.
Feb 11, 2020 2:11:38 GMT
Taka: What? That sounds so weird.
Feb 11, 2020 5:36:23 GMT
Master Menos: It's damn awesome to be honest. It shot to 1st Place!
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Dream: On the subject of MAL, it looks like the admin are planning to tweak their scoring system for titles to reduce the likelihood of voters artificially inflating the ranking of certain titles.
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Master Menos: My V-Day present will be belated this year because I "Had some trouble with ol' Johnny." (That's your hint.)
Feb 15, 2020 4:17:13 GMT
Dream: The joys of adulthood. Joking aside, plan to at least attempt to wrap up Gankutsuou sometime early to mid next week so I can get done with my Funi voted titles. Afterward, not doing any more voting for a while considering how long this had been taking.
Feb 15, 2020 16:50:30 GMT
Dream: Done with Gankutsuou. Will be working to get a review up for it by sometime tonight.
Feb 16, 2020 20:57:26 GMT
Taka: Great job, Dream! I should do some reviews, too.
Feb 17, 2020 5:24:39 GMT
Dream: Looks like MAL's currently down due to the site getting hit by a major denial-of-service attack, just as a heads up.
Feb 18, 2020 17:55:23 GMT
Taka: I added 2 polls tonight. Also, I wonder why MAL was down. Crunchyroll also had it, too.
Feb 20, 2020 4:05:24 GMT
Dream: Not sure about Crunchyroll. For MAL, the DoS attacks may have been retaliation by those who dabbled into manipulating the site's scoring system for certain anime titles. The admin on MAL announced they would be overhauling the system to prevent said...
Feb 20, 2020 13:42:15 GMT
Dream: ...manipulation last week.
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