Two moon level feats are Piccolo destroying moon and Hagoromo creating moon. Piccolo's moonbusting can be directly applied in battle. However does Hagoromo's moon creation count as attack potency? It's basically a sealing technique which needs time, and it doesn't do damage to the target directly.
We know creation = destruction energy wise, but how useful are creation abilities in battle? Piccolo can't certainly create a moon like Hagoromo, so is it accurate to assume that Hagoromo can bust the moon? I don't see how creation relates to potency since it's not reversible and has different impact
This is not just for Hagoromo but all other cases as well
Does he utilize his internal energy to materialize the moon. Basically, does he convert his energy to mass? If yes, then it does count as attack potency unless it was a specific skill that can only create moons.
hagoromo created the moon by moving rock from the earth so its not the same as creation. it takes a certain amount of energy to lift that mass of rock up that far just like it takes energy for someone to lift a rock over their head. And then they assume that he can apply that amount of energy to one of his attacks, or that you need to be able to also exert that much energy to break out of chibaku tensei
If someone creates matter from nothing you can use e = mc^2 to calculate the energy required to create that mass but this can have really ridiculous results e.g. just hypothetically if you assume kyoraku's bankai created that amount of water from nothing and that it related to his attack potency he would have a planet level feat for making a city's worth of water. so unless its made really clear this is avoided.
Tbh logically being able to create a moon in the way hagoromo did probably wouldn't mean necessarily that you could bust a moon but in VS you simplfy things anyway. if you want to be really picky all these massive explosions wouldn't be as deadly as they seem because most of the explosion isn't even touching the character its hitting. but that would make it really difficult to gauge how strong a lot of these attacks are. So i guess you just have to assume that a big explosion means a stronger attack (unless it destroys something really durable) and that creating something means you can defeat people who have destroyed less than you created.
Although hagoromo is only moon - small planet level with his strongest attack, kaguya is only planet level with her strongest attack, ulquiorra is only whatever level people have him at with his strongest attack. I feel like stuff like this should be made clear since many characters aren't going to go for their strongest attack off the bat and obviously their other attacks aren't going to be on the level of their strongest.
Creation doesn't equal power. Take Chifuyu Himeki she can create very durable objects and other powerful stuff but if you take away her power and ask her to punch something it would be like a attack from a normal elementary school girl. So long story short just cause they can create something doesn't mean they can also destroy it.
I would not count at as an attack feat. destroying and creating are different things. HOWEVER if someone is creating a moon or other body it is safe to assume that they are strong enough to destroy an equal amount of space.
Theres also the matter of how a lot of these attacks, chibaku tensei included evolve that level of energy over a period of minutes when you expect an attack to happen in seconds and the most. closer to milliseconds really.
Like i said to make things less complicated im fine with taking gravitational potential feats of "creation" to be equivalent to how much they can destroy but if we're being picky then it shouldn't. Also there are other simplifications made like how as more and more mass leaves the planet and becomes the moon theres less mass beneath it pulling down and more mass on the moon pulling it up without the effort of the core so less work needs to be done. This is why i think calcs should be taken with a grain of salt instead of being taken as the be all end all
Also once again it only applies to that attack. you can't say this attack had a yield of this much energy so thats how powerful all of his attacks are
I'd say yes if they don't have a specific "biased: power towards some specific things. Like if Kami's daily job was your friendly neighboour moon creator yeah, maybe he doesn't have that potency. Or if someone has the power to create only sper-whales. He doesn't have the sperm whale dc. And it depends on the genre of the series aswell .
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