So in the manga series, Code Breaker, the main character, Rei Ogami uses a fire attack that can even burn Nothingness. My question is: How strong is that flame if it can even burn through Nothingness?
First some context
Nothingness in Code Breaker is caused by the power of Nullification brought on by the mixed of Special Power User and Rare Kind blood. The blood mixture causes what is known as a Nullification which destroys everything the energy touches. A large amount of Special Power User and Rare Kind blood was mixed caused an enormous Nullification which caused the Nothingness. The most powerful character in the series, Sakura subconsciously used her reality warping powers to trap the Nothingness in Pandora's Box. Several years later, the power of the Nothingness was unleashed.
In Code Breaker that Nothingness consumes everything that it comes into contact with, leaving only a black void:
Here the Nothingness has consumed everything around the bad guy's house, again leaving only a black void:
It's just hax fire, burning the nothingness with how it acts and is described in the series means one really can't have any DC attached to Rei's. Now it seems to be durability ignoring flames that just burn everything, however since reality warping could contain the nothingness flames there might also be it's limits. Zero To properly judge i need to know, did those flames ever burn anything other than nothingness? Because if it didn't, it might just have been a specific counter. I expect it, with what i've seen posted so far, to just be at the maximum flames that can pull off spatial erasure. Oh also any more scans of explanation of the nothingness, did it erase anything other than space?
HungryWorld the flame is just described as being able to EVEN burn Nothingness. He didn't use it on anything else as that was the final battle.
The Nothingness consumed a varied of different powers. The most notable are light, shadow, life and death powers. The life powers can actually give life to robots and restore the life force (energy source power users) of power users. The death power literally steal life force and can give others immortality.
Although it was never attempted Rei has a flame that can burn thru any special power, it even burned a time reversal. Rei never used it on the NothingNess but it is heavily implied that Lucifer's flame was the last ditch option.
"No matter what happens...I shall gift this world and the world beyond with apocalypse..."
Zero But saying it EVEN burns nothingness doesn't say about the rest it can burn. I mean from what i can read in the second-last scan he is talking about the seven flames uniting. Wouldn't that just mean that his Lucifer's flame is basically those seven flames combined and possibly slightly empowered?
Also you know consuming powers may be great, but with everything might it not be just existential erasure then? Unless those powers were of a physical nature or the powers were effected in a way that the things they affected still existed in a 3D world. In that case often spatial erasure could still do it. Shadow's can't exist without anything to be cast upon, light being consumed is something that even a black hole can do and the latter two (life and death powers) are bound to physical bodies.
Zero Well it's just a bit odd then. You can't erase something that isn't even already there. I think it's just one of those cases where nothingness is it's own thing, where the thing closest to nothingness likely is existential erasure or a lesser variant of it (just deleting everything).
What does that say about Lucifer's flame then? To me if it can destroy something that erases existence it sounds like it could be a conceptual level attack. The power to destroy Nothing itself sounds pretty crazy.
ZeroHungryWorld This is not true "nothingness", a region devoid of matter and space-time, first of all, there is no evidence that it does erase space-time, leaving behind a black void =/= spatial erasure, only that the photons within that region got erased, second of all, Mass described it as a form of energy:
"Nothingness in Code Breaker is caused by the power of Nullification brought on by the mixed of Special Power User and Rare Kind blood. The blood mixture causes what is known as a Nullification which destroys everything the energy touches. A large amount of Special Power User and Rare Kind blood was mixed caused an enormous Nullification which caused the Nothingness. The most powerful character in the series, Sakura subconsciously used her reality warping powers to trap the Nothingness in Pandora's Box. Several years later, the power of the Nothingness was unleashed." - Mass
And the fact it can be sealed also backs up the notion that it has a physical aspect to it, after all, how the heck do you seal something that isn't there to begin with? How do you trap a region devoid of space-time, a thing that doesn't exist....with reality warping....inside a magical box? Makes no sense at all, right? And also, the characters use terms like "Nullification Power" and "Extinction Power", and so-called Mr. Bad Guy even calls it a power that flows (and it did flow out of the box), those are certainly not terms one would use to describe void, and how the heck does a void, in other words, non-existence, "flow" in the first place? That's a physical property.
None of this makes any sense, it is definitely not true void, everything from how it acts to descriptions of it implies it is a wave of magical energy that disintegrate matter on contact, so to counteract it, you need something that can disintegrate/disperse magical energy and be resistant to those two things itself, which is that plot-device flame.
Anyway, that flame bypasses durability as it can counter magical energy that disintegrates matter on contact. That's it.
Eva01 , The translations are confusing they use Nullification, Nothingness and Extinction power interchangeability. So what do you think that white empty space that is left after the Nothingness Power is destroy is?
Well the Nothingness was sealed inside Pandora's Box subconsciously by a reality warper who also undid all of the destruction it caused (plot powers). Inside that box she also sealed, someone's individual power, the true power of another individual and the physical body of Code: Emperor.
Zero The white empty space is exactly just what you described it as. An empty region of space-time, because all the matter within got disintegrated, the white part however means that there is light, photons, in it, otherwise it'd be black.
Actually, that instance of Nothingness annihilating Nothingness confirms what I said, a wave of magical energy that disintegrates matter on contact clashes with an identical wave and cancel each other out, if this was a true void, nonexistence, a region with no space-time, it would only make it bigger.
So yeah, it's definitely not what you think it is. Impressive, but nowhere near as insane.
Eva01 what if the power can destroy time reversal? A character named Aoba has the power to move anything she touches into the past or future. She, along with several other characters attempt to slow the Nothingness with her powers.
Although it never happened due to the character being dead, there was also a character who could move anyone thru space and cut space. He died before the NothingNess was unsealed but it is heavily implied that it could destroy all powers.
So the Nothingness power can destroy time based powers and possibly space based powers.
I guess it would be disintegration and power negation? Then what is Lucifier's flame lol? A flame that can't be negated and just destroys whatever it touches?
Zero Then it seems to be a counter to magic on top of being able to disintegrate matter, as one of the characters noted that it destroyed his power.
The instance of Nothingness annihilating Nothingness seals the deal and denies any possibility of Nothingness being a void, so no matter what it does, there's no way it can be that, rest assured. And it's not existential erasure either, there's a massive difference between disintegration and existential erasure, and so far all you've provided says it's just the former.
Honestly, calling it Nothingness is very inaccurate and misleading, just call it Nullification Power or Extinction Power.
Eva01 Nothingness is what it is most commonly referred to that's all. I don't want to use 3 different names and make it more confusing lol. Also basically Lucifer's flame is durability ignoring disintegration and ignore power negation.
And none of it is magic. Yes it basically is the same thing but there are 4 different powers in Code Breaker 1 - Special Powers fueled by ones own life force 2 - Rare Kind Power which cancels Special Powers to a certain degree and absorbs life force 3 - Nullification/Nothingness/Extinction Power 4 - Sakura's reality warping which trumps everything.
"No matter what happens...I shall gift this world and the world beyond with apocalypse..."
Zero Then just stick with Nullification, it describes the energy's actual function and is more in line with the names of other abilities in the series.
Other than that, I believe the case is settled, Nullification Power is a wave of magical energy that can disintegrate matter and negate powers, and plot-devic flame is a power that is immune to negation and bypasses durability.
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