So, there has been some debate about the potential of rankings characters linearly based on power in a conventionally referred to "Tier List". However there is dissent about how such a list should be structured, I would like to propose my own created system. Critique is welcome.
So the key to the Tier System is that there is a 4-fold division, which divides again by 2 into an 8-fold division, which divides again by 2 into a 16-fold division. These are Super-Tiers, Scales, and Tiers respectively. Let us start with the 4 Super Tiers:
Mortal: A Mortal is a being whose, though they may have powers, do not have powers that are unreplicable by modern human technology. They are bound to the confines of normal Human Civilization. At the absolute strongest they can conquer a planetary civilization but can't do much more. They may have abilities that manipulates their environment, but usually lack significant hax.
Demigod: A Demigod is a being who can affect entire celestial bodies like large asteroids, planets, and even stars. Alot of characters on this level will have some level of haxes or at least very versatile powersets. Such beings are outside the purview of conventional human affairs.
Ascended: An Ascended is a being who can affect reality in more fundamental ways, destroying or shaping larger sections of space and numerous celestial bodies. They often have highly hax abilities that would be completely broken against less hax opponents.
Super-Cosmic: A Super-Cosmic is a being that can affect more then a single reality at once. It is at this point that heavy consideration needs to be taken to the work in question's metaphysical standpoint.
These separate into 8 Scales:
Lower Mortal/Local Scale: The character is strictly a threat to their immediate area. They might be superhuman at the top end but they don't have drastic scope to their abilities. Generally Subsonic in Speed. Simple abilities such as ranged attacks and flight are game-changers at this level. They can generally be defeated by a single well-equipped human or small group of humans irl.
Higher Mortal/City Scale: The character can damage or threaten significant parts of a large-ish human settlement. They would require large forces of humans and or advanced technology to beat, if they can be beaten by real world humanity at all. These characters often possess at least limited control of their environment and can move past the speed of sound."
Lower Demigod/Planetary Scale: The character can drastically affect a small planet like Earth, anyway from altering the face of the planet to outright destruction of it. These characters often have more complete control of their environment and often can move at least near the speed of light and can survive in space.
Higher Demigod/Stellar Scale: The character can affect a Solar System drastically, destroying the planetary bodies or the center star outright. Speed significantly faster then light are common and more esoteric and dangerous abilities become more usual.
Lower Ascended/Galactic Scale: The Character is a galactic power, able to affect events on the scale of large galaxies like the Milky Way or Andromeda. They usually have speeds massively faster then light and often have a more diverse or broken range of abilities.
Higher Ascended/Universal Scale: The Character can affect the entirety of a single reality, at least over time. They can impact events on the truly cosmic scale. At this scale speed becomes most irrelevant and abilities becomes harder for humans to conceptualize such as life creation, causality manipulation, and abstract concept manipulation.
Lower Super-Cosmic/Multiversal Scale: The character can affect multiple universes at a time at some rate, ranging from 2 to a virtual infinity. Characters at this level almost always have a level of spacetime transcendence and some have a level of nigh-omniscience.
Higher Super-Cosmic/Omniversal Scale: This is used for franchises that create a cosmology that has a set of universes...beyond infinity. Because even debating about this is so...controversial....a simple way to equalize it is to look at it from the perspective of a metaphysical franchise. An omniversl scale being can affect an entire franchise or series on a metaphysical level. The strongest of them could if they wanted, change the meaning of infinity to be entirely different so that they could have more the infinite universes. Debate of characters on this level is very difficult, and many boards ban it outright and I don't blame them. I include this mostly for completion sake.
These 8 Scales separate again into 16 Tiers, with the lower being a gradual threat to this scale and the higher being an immediate threat:
Tier 16 (Low Mortal/Lower Local Threat): Sub Peak Humans, these beings need time and effort to threaten even their local area. Merely having combat training or experience is op at this level. Speed is generally Low, below Peak Human. Most people fall under this level, but of course it's the least interesting to debate. A Hit to the head is a significant threat. Examples include most civilians in every work ever.
Tier 15 (Mid Mortal/Higher Local Threat): Peak Humans and Low Level Superhumans, these beings are an immediate threat to their surroundings. At this level a ranged attack is considered an important ability. Weaponry is important. Generally even with a single or a small group of trained and equipped professional fighters in real life. Speed can be superhuman but is generally still sub-sonic. Wild Animals like Wolves or Bears, and Weapons like Bullets are significant threats. Examples include Mr. Satan, Daredevil, and Aragorn.
Tier 14 (High Mortal/Lower City Threat): These characters can destroy notable chucks of cities from small buildings to multiple city blocks. With time and effort they can likely flatten a city. They can generally tank and casually use wall level attacks. Many characters at this level use flight or another movement based powers for an advantage. Speed is often Supersonic or Low Hypersonic. Most of these characters would require a sizeable army to defeat in the real world. Missile or Lightning Strikes would be significant threats. Examples include Guts, Deathstroke, and Dante from Devil May Cry (Full Strength may be Higher)
Tier 13 (Top Mortal/Sub-Demigod/Higher City Threat): These characters can destroy and survive attacks that would destroy a human settlement like a town or city in a single attack. They can often tank building-level attacks. Most characters have limited environment manipulation at least and higher level hypersonic speeds are common. These characters would be nigh-unbeatable for a Modern Civilization and could likely conquer planetary civilizations. Nuclear Weapons and Large Natural Disasters (like Hurricanes or Volcanic Eruptions) would be significant threats. Examples include Natsu, DCAU Superman (Strongest), and Gamera
Tier 12 (Low Demigod/Lower Planetary Threat): These characters can alter the face of a planet, destroying large chucks of it at once. They can also likely destroy large asteroids and other small planteoids. They can also often casually city bust. Many of them have Speeds at least nearing lightspeed and and can easily travel to other planets. They often can survive in the vacuum of space or other extreme environments. Asteroid Strikes or Cataclysmic Events would be significant threats. Examples include Whitebeard, Iron Man (Stronger Armors), and Zeus (God of War)
Tier 11 (Mid Demigod/Higher Planetary Threat): The Characters can destroy a small planet or a moon with one attack and take similar attacks. Many of them have Superluminal speeds, able to travel around their star system, and can directly manipulate energy or matter on a very fine scale such as molecular or atomic. Planetary Collision or Exposure to the Core of a Sun would be Significant Threats. Examples include Kaguya, Midgard Serpent (Marvel), and Kamen Rider Kuuga
Tier 10 (High Demigod/Lower Stellar Threat): With time and effort this character can threaten an entire solar system. They can generally casually planetbust and with effort can destroy large planets or multiple planets at once. They are often casually FTL, able to easily travel into other solar systems, and have abilities that are dangerous and hard to avoid such as control of mind or soul. Examples include Toriko, Zatanna, and Twilight Xemnas
Tier 9 (Top Demigod/Sub-Ascended/Higher Stellar Threat): This character can directly star bust, or even destroy a solar system. They can often travel far faster the light, able to travel around the local galaxy. They can often manipulate spacetime itself to some extent, playing around with the fabric of reality to a limited extent. Supernova and Black Holes are significant threats. Examples include Dark King (Pretty Cure), Green Lantern Hal Jordan, and God Emperor of Mankind
Tier 8 (Low Ascended/Lower Galactic Threat): This character can destroy multiple star systems, or even small galaxies. They with time and effort could destroy an entire galaxy. They generally have the speeds to go to nearby galaxies. They often have broken abilities like attacking or existing on other planes of reality. Supermassive Black Holes would be a significant threat. Examples include Seraphs (Bastard!!), Silver Surfer, and Sol Badguy
Tier 7: (Mid Ascended/Higher Galactic Threat): The Character is an immediate threat to a large galaxy. They are often fast enough to fly around the universe and have increasingly complex abilities like dimension creation and high-scale reality-warping. Galactic Collision would be a significant threat. Examples include Pyron (Darkstalkers), Thanos, and Chakravartin
Tier 6: (High Ascended/Lower Universal Threat): The character can threaten multiple galaxies and is a gradual threat to the Universe itself. These characters can often easily fly to the end of the universe or into other universes. At this level speed becomes rapidly irrelevant. Many of these characters can ignore causality to some extent and can create life. The Big Bang would be a significant threat. Examples include Base Tengen toppa Gurren Lagann, Pre-Crisis Superman, and Overlord Laharl
Tier 5 (Top Ascended/Sub-Super-Cosmic/Higher Universal Threat): The Character is an immediate threat to a reality. These characters often has some degree of abstract concept manipulation and probability manipulation. The End of the Universe would be a significant threat. Sometimes has access to other universes. Examples include Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann, Beerus, Odin (Destroyer Armor-Marvel), and Top Tiers from Undertale
Tier 4: (Low Super-Cosmic/Lower Multiversal Threat): Either an immediate threat to a finite amount of universes, or a gradual threat to an infinite number. Generally has some degree of spacetime transcendence. Conceptual Destruction would be a significant threat. Examples include Arceus, Hades, Imperiex, and The Narrator (Stanley Parable)
Tier 3: (Mid Super-Cosmic/Higher Multiversal Threat): An immediate threat to an infinite multiverse. Often has a cosmic nigh-omniscience or a limited omnipresence. Destruction of Reality would be a signification threat. Examples include Zeedmilleniummon, Galactus (Full Power), and Nyarlathotep (Demonbane)
(Zone of Characters you may wish to refrain from debating below)
Tier 2: (High Super-Cosmic/Lower Omniversal Threat): An immediate threat to a set beyond an infinite multiverse as defined by the cosmology of the work. Can destroy multiple infinite multiverses and gradually threaten the "franchise " or "omniverse" of the writer. Often has a metaphysical component. Significant threats include Cosmic Retcons. Examples include Lord of Nightmares, Mr. Mxyzptlk, and The Downstreamers
Tire 1: (Top Super-Cosmic/Higher Omniversal Threat): An immediate threat to absolute infinity, each reality or at least a duplicate of each reality. Such a character at the strongest can often break "logic" and is therefore no longer strictly debatable logically. Significant threats include Death of the Writer. Examples include the One Above All and The Presence.
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However I like the concept of this list since this is more of the way that authors and writers would view destructive capacity however you are too specific in some places and way too broad in others. This won't work with a perfect 4 X 2 X 2 system becuase in places like tier 14 you have people who could be damaged by grenades lumped in with people matching the greatest conventional weapons current technology offers. The gap there is ridiculous. And I understand lumping together town and city level but where the heck did mountain and island level go? They're completely ignored. Then suddenly you start specifying the varying degrees of planet level and separate small and large Galaxy. Up until then you didn't show any sort of discrepancy. It looks sloppy and inconsistent. With the way this is now it would cause even more arguments and confusion than the current system. And don't even get me started on the assumptions made with hax and speed
If you were willing to make edits to it and sacrifice the 4 X 2 X 2 deal then it could work
Post by graet Artiste on Jun 10, 2016 16:36:47 GMT
Nice idea, however I did mention we already have a tier list created by me using IndridCold´s original idea of main characters. I also have it broken into 16 tiers (don´t know if it´s a coincidence or not) Granted you have categories within categories which is more specific, but I think that's getting too specific. But who knows, yours may catch on better so I won't consider this a dupe. Lets see what users have to say.
"becuase in places like tier 14 you have people who could be damaged by grenades lumped in with people matching the greatest conventional weapons current technology offers. The gap there is ridiculous." Grenades would be an immediate (and highly damaging) local threat and be tier 15. Most Tier 14s can tank wall level attacks like grenades. Tier 15 is for people that are an immediate threat to their immediate surroundings while Tier 14 are for those who can do larger scale damage to a settlement (town/city) like destroying a small building.
"And I understand lumping together town and city level but where the heck did mountain and island level go? They're completely ignored." Mountain Level is an undefined term that is either on the Larger Side of City Level or on the Smaller Level of Island Level depending on the size of the mountain. Island Level is Tier 12 as it reshaping the face of a planet, if on a smaller scale then Continent and Country Level, and could allow the destruction of significant sized asteroids.
"Then suddenly you start specifying the varying degrees of planet level and separate small and large Galaxy. Up until then you didn't show any sort of discrepancy." There is a MASSIVE difference between destroying an Earth Sized Planet and Jupiter or destroy a Dwarf Galaxy and the Milky Way. Destroying a Dwarf Galaxy would be only slightly more powerful then destroying a neutron star. It is in the Tier Below Immediate Galactic Threat. Also the destruction of small stars would be probably "only" rate Tier 10 due to the scale of difference between it and destroying a Main Sequence Star like our Sun. This division is necessary.
"And don't even get me started on the assumptions made with hax and speed" The "assumptions" are not assumptions, they are merely stating what is OFTEN seen from characters at this level. Their are of course extreme states of characters being far faster then they are powerful or more powerful then they are quick. But this is the GENERAL way it tends to go.
"If you were willing to make edits to it" I must confess I see no reason to as of yet.
"sacrifice the 4 X 2 X 2 deal then it could work" It works currently. I know this because I always use it. And no, the system of division is integral to the system because it allows for a system of progression that allows for easy integration and comprehensibility. The terms are not shrouded behind ambiguity like "Herald Level" or "Skyfather Level" where there is vast dissent over what it means. Instead it very clearly states "Immediate Planetary Threat", "Gradual Galactic Threat" etc. which are immediately understandable.
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